ROMA (ITALPRESS) – With Beppe Grillo “after the insults he addressed me, there are no more relationships. Even though I’m the founder. A historical figure, with great merits.” So in a long interview with Corriere della Sera, the leader of M5s, Giuseppe Conte, who traces his first years of life together with his parents when he was a child, his relationship with faith and then the landing in the world of politics, remembering not having voted Movement 5 Stars until 2018: “I had no reference party. I looked with interest at the Demitian experience, on the left Dc, when he ran independent left: Fuck it, Lipari, Ossicini. I also voted radical.”.
“Today – he adds – the Movement has given itself, even through Nova, a Charter of principles and values that defines our identity more clearly. That is a progressive identity. We fight to implement the second paragraph of Article 3 of the Constitution: to put everyone in a position to be protagonists of the economic and social life of the country. We want to counter inequalities and iniquities, never so deep in human history, rather than consolidate the overflow of dominant business groups, financial powers, investment funds, the new capitalism of digital surveillance.” “Nova – he explains – binds us to a conception of the dynamic, non-static alliance. The alliance is not a prerequisite; it is a means to fight our battles alongside those who share with us a black program on white”. So it’s not obvious that Pd and M5S will be together in the next elections? “With them – he says – in this legislature we shared the basis of a common program. We are already in a good place.”.
And on his opening to the primaries of coalition, he says: “I made myself available because I saw in the referendum a great desire to participate. Primaries are not in our tradition. I convinced myself that they can be the most effective way to find the best interpreter, but only after sharing the program. The winner of the primary will be the one who will have to implement the program. A path that should be built with intelligence, to compact the progressive line rather than divide it.” As for the government program, “we don’t have to increase taxation – he emphasizes –. On the contrary, we must lighten the fiscal and bureaucratic weight on those who open a shutter, on those who hold a factory. The real wealth to tax is that of those who sit behind a desk to move huge masses of money. We must help the real economy, and strike the financial economy that is parasiticly enriched.” And to the question if there is room for Renzi in the covenant, he answers: “There is room for those who genuinely share the program and will offer assurances of reliability to implement it. I don’t want to do any personal matters. Politics must not live on personalism but on clear, clear, shared political processes.” “Renzi is very able to take turns and solutions – he adds. But it is evident that my fall is due to internal and foreign financial environments, which have not considered me a guarantee in their eyes to manage the incredible mass of financial resources we have obtained in Europe. Draghi didn’t wait for Renzi. It turns out from several sources that Draghi had moved in his own to ask for a change of government well before it happened”. Among the sources, “for example D’Alema. I think Renzi has been among the last to surrender to the technical government; because he knows that with a technical government politicians count even less.”.
On the international front and the relations with the U.S., Trump had demonstrated “a sympathy I exploited to obtain for my country, not to give blood, as naively here did Giorgia Meloni. One of his great failures.” And about lunch with Zampolli: “I received a letter on paperheaded: Trump’s special envoy, on an official visit to Rome, wanted to meet me. I felt it opportune to pray to Zampolli to report to Trump that he was accumulating errors on errors, despite the ‘signors’ of Meloni, who encouraged him instead of braking him.”.
To the observation that is considered a philosopher, not a solidarity with Ukraine, he replied: “I immediately condemned Putin’s aggression, I was in favour of sanctions and still am. But the distorted propaganda that has trodden me neglects the four years of failures of those who have bet on the military defeat of Russia, on the change of regime, on the collapse of the Russian economy; instead of investing on diplomacy, and reaching an agreement today so much more necessary, because we must return in perspective to buy Russian gas”.
While on the internal front, the relationship with Elly Schlein is based on the “communist respect, in the awareness that we represent two different political forces, but we can build a solid program that allows us to remedy Meloni’s failures and rule for five years”. Silvia Salis “we supported her as mayor of Genoa because she was the best candidate in a complicated situation; but I can’t say I have a thorough knowledge.”.
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